HomeLitecoinThe Litecoin MimbleWimble proposal is about Fungibility not Privateness.

The Litecoin MimbleWimble proposal is about Fungibility not Privateness.


A current article entitled “Breaking MimbleWimble’s privateness mannequin” revealed by Ivan Bogatyy has been inflicting a stir because the writer claims of a “new assault” that ‘traces 96% of all (MimbleWimble) sender and recipient addresses in actual time’. The assault prices $60/week of AWS (Amazon Internet Companies) one thing that leads Bogatyy to conculde that:

“Mimblewimble’s privateness is basically flawed.” (and) “ought to not be thought-about a viable different to Zcash or Monero relating to privateness.”

The issue is that no MimbleWimble (MW) developer has ever claimed the protocol was personal or that it was on par with an asset equivalent to Monero on this regard, as such Bogatyy’s article engages in a false equivalence fallacy. The considerations raised have been already identified to these engaged on the venture. David Burkett, a member of the Grin++ workforce who helps lead the Litecoin MW implementation, weighed in by way of twitter, to handle the scenario:

“Actually superior write-up, however none of that is “information”. I’m really shocked solely 96% was traceable. There are a variety of how to assist break linkability in Grin, however none are carried out and launched but. As I all the time say, don’t use Grin when you require privateness — it’s not there but.”

A counter article from Daniel Lehnberg, a Grin developer, was later revealed to offer additional clarification and dispel the factual inaccuracies and sensationalised claims:

“This isn’t new to anybody on the Grin workforce or anybody who has studied the Mimblewimble protocol. Grin acknowledged the power to hyperlink outputs on chain in a Privateness Primer revealed on its public wiki in November 2018, earlier than mainnet was launched. This drawback encompasses Ian Mier’s “Flashlight assault”, which we’ve got listed as one in every of our Open Analysis Issues.”
“TL;DR: Mimblewimble privateness is just not “basically flawed”. The described “assault” on Mimblewimble/Grin is a misunderstanding of a identified limitation. Whereas the article supplies some fascinating numbers on community evaluation, the outcomes introduced don’t really represent an assault, nor do they again up the sensationalized claims made.”

Litecoin creator Charlie Lee adopted in a tweet of his personal stating:

“This limitation of MimbleWimble protocol is well-known. MW is mainly Confidential Transactions with scaling advantages and slight unlinkability. To get significantly better privateness, you’ll be able to nonetheless use CoinJoin earlier than broadcasting and CJ works very well with MW on account of CT and aggregation.”

The principle attraction of MW and the explanation the Litecoin Core workforce need to implement assist for it, has primarily been its potential to offer community fungibility, future scalability and ‘larger’ (not full) privateness.

Fungibility is derived from the inclusion of confidential transactions (CT) whereby the worth despatched over the community is hidden but verifiable. This implies when interacting with different individuals on the community they wont be capable to look again and understand how a lot Litecoin you personal. Scalability however comes from the massively pruneable nature of the protocol and the truth that, when paired with extension blocks, the Litecoin community could have a blocksize enhance with out the necessity for a contentious arduous fork.

MW gives solely pseudo-privacy and that is what Bogatyy’s article discusses. By snapshotting transactions earlier than they endure the coin becoming a member of course of it’s nonetheless attainable to trace community participant interactions. Customers can privately coinjoin utilizing a trusted get together earlier than broadcasting, nonetheless, this introduces a 3rd get together who could then later promote that information on, so it’s removed from a really perfect answer.

Coinjoins mixed with confidential transactions nonetheless, does present an satisfactory degree of privateness over the present scenario. The typical consumer doesn’t have the time, assets or know find out how to setup such a monitoring system. This doesn’t imply privateness is to not be pursued, for one, MW does not really use addresses, as an alternative worth is transferred by including one-time outputs to a transaction. In flip offering larger privateness because it turns into unimaginable to re-use addresses.

One good take away is that it’s unlikely incumbent exchanges will delist Litecoin on account of regulatory subject individuals have raised and hopefully extra individuals will start to know the character of MW. Full fungability remains to be a purpose to goal for going ahead and is somthing Lee awknowledges stating:

“There’s loads of work to be carried out. Privateness and fungability will likely be an ongoing battle.”



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